bigkid

Hey guys, i have been coming to your site for some time now and have never posted on here but i think it's great how you guys help so many people with your advice and expertise. That being said i was hoping that i could join that list of those that receive help. I have been looking for a new tlb and have narrowed my search down to the followig 2 machines. Yanmar cbl40 and kubota L39. To be honest i had my mind set on the L39 until i went and looked at the cbl40. I looked over the cbl40 long and hard and oly found one problem and that is the low pto horsepower. Alot of things on the yanmar are optional that are standard on the kubota but my dealer for has included them on the maching i looked at so i am comparing apples to apples on pricing. The kubota comes in at 34,800 and the yanmar at 37,00. Does anyone have any opinions on either machine, and does either machine have a leg up on the other in any way. Your feed back is greatly appreciated and i thank you in advance for your help.

Ducati996

Welcome BigKid to the Machine Underground! great introduction and what a great problem to have you have a tough choice to make, and i don't envy you

I attached the specs of both machines, just for a quick side by side. Its close so maybe it comes down to support and such. I know Kubota has a great foot print, but its not easy to find yanmar dealers - at least for me..

Keep us updated, not a bad spot to be in IMHO

Duc

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	L39 spec.pdf (31.6 KB, 11 views)
	CBL40.pdf (1.52 MB, 12 views)

Kubota L39 w/WR long RGB Grapple, Bradco Pallet forks, BH QA buckets, and more!
JD 2520, 210Cx, 46BH, 60" Box Blade-Mid West, 52" Mid West aerator, 52" first choice Tiller, 5' Fontier blade, 42" pallet forks, Green MFG PHD, Mid West York Rake w/guage wheels, Cub 3204 with Blower & Simms Cab, Mowers (44",48",50"),Ford 2006 F550 turbo diesel 4x4 w/11' mason dump, 16' 10k Doolittle trailer, Southwestern enclosed trailer, Wright Stander RH 52", Better Outdoor Product Quick 32" mower!

Dougster

They are both very good and closely matched machines, so your own personal preference may end up being the deciding factor. While the Yanmar may have a slight edge in weight and certain aspects of performance, the Kubota is extremely well made, will have a much better resale value... and dealer support is likely to be about 1,000 times better on average. If you do buy the Yanmar, make sure you do so from an established, high-quality, customer-oriented tractor/equipment dealer and not one of the ma & pa rental shops, Agways or glorified lawnmower stores that happen to sell them.

bigkid

Thanks ducati and douster for your feedback. I agree that i have a tough decision as well and i agree that dealer support is a big part of a purchase of this magnitude. I Have a kubota L3940 that i will be selling and the dealer i bought it from has been very good to deal with. I also was lucky enough to find a dealer for yanmar the same distance from home just in the opposite direction of the kubota dealer and they have been great in this whole shopping and comparing process as well. I do have a few questions that i need a little help with. The kubota has 3 hydraulic pumps and the yanmar has 2 variable piston pumps. If you look at the Bh hydraulic flow rate you get 18.2 from what i can gather for the kubota vs 22 for the yanmar. It's weird that the kubota has 3 pumps vs 2 pumps but they have less flow rate to the backhoe. I guess that may just be because of the way yanmar builds their hydraulic systems which i have been told is one of their strong points along with their reputations for motors and trans building. Any other info is more than welcome as i still have some thinking to do and need all the help i can get so i don't have to do this again next year. Thanks again to all those who are able to help

bigkid

oh and forgive the typo dougster i am not nor will i ever will be a great typist or computer person. I am amazed that i even figured out how to post on here. Thanks again for your help

Dougster

No problem man!!! But now you must change your name to BigKidster!
Despite rather significant differences in hydraulic system design, I wouldn't get too hung up on the pump specs. The fact is that BOTH machines have perfectly adequate flow to the backhoe main circuit (11 GPM) and both have separate pumps and/or circuits feeding the backhoe swing function. I hedge a little on the latter statement because Yanmar has not been at all clear about the exact control logic and hydraulic piping despite repeated attempts by me to obtain that information. I have even gone so far as to call the Yanmar engineers in Japan with limited, confused and ambiguous results. On top of that, they were said to be changing how they state their specifications for the American market... although I have yet to see any "new" specification for the CBL-40.

Regardless, beware of counting the power steering flow in or for anything. It has nothing to do with loader or backhoe operation. Kubota clearly has all gear pumps and a separate gear pump for power steering. Yanmar is silent about that point. It is not clear if the CBL-40 borrows from the two main pumps for power steering... or if there is a separate gear pump. I suspect it could be the latter... but there is nothing I've seen in writing to confirm that. My "theory" is based in large part on the set-up I see in my Yanmar VIO35-3 mini-excavator (4 pumps: 2 variable flow, 2 gear).

The bottom line is that the big operational advantage of the CBL-40 comes from its extra weight and it's ultra-powerful FEL. The big ownership advantage of the L39 comes from it being a Kubota with very high resale value and a magnificent dealer network.

If I were going to buy a CBL-40, I'd definitely try to find a leftover or slightly used one. Prices have historically dropped fast on used Yanmar equipment. The reasons appear to be a generally weak dealer network as well as a hardy supply of used ex-rental equipment. Yanmar seems to be the darling of ma and pa rental places everywhere.

Dougster™

PaulChristenson

Just out of curiosity...did you look at Mahindra?
Mahindra Tractor - Compact tractors, utility tractors, farm tractors, ag tractors, attachments, implements & farm equipment - all built tough!

Paul in VT

I used to own an ant farm but had to give it up. I couldn't find tractors small enough to fit it.
-- Steven Wright

Dougster

Mahindra does not offer a true "single seat" TLB. One would have to buy a 4x4 tractor with FEL... plus a frame-mounted, Bradco-made backhoe with it's own rear-facing seat. As LarryRB has pointed out many times before, single pump hydraulics and the "two seat" set-up are not exactly ideal for constant, commercial backhoe use. And for 3/4-ton pickup truck portability (w/10K trailer), you are pretty much limited to the 4110/ML112 with a Bradco 509 (or 511) backhoe. You may even want to add a PTO pump for best speed/performance. You would clearly save a lot of money over an L39 or CBL-40 or JD 110 and have a very fine set-up, but it would not be a *true commercial-grade TLB* if that's what you are looking for.

On the other hand, if one were not limited by 3/4-ton pick-up portability or particularly bothered by the two-seat set-up, the combination of a Mahindra 7520 with ML275 loader... plus a Bradco 611 backhoe simply cannot be beat for the price. With a little good luck, I will own this magnificent combination someday.

Dougster™

PaulChristenson

Hmmm......I don't like to think in terms of limitations...

Paul in VT

I used to own an ant farm but had to give it up. I couldn't find tractors small enough to fit it.
-- Steven Wright

bigkid

I do agree with everything i have heard so far, especially about how kubotas hold their value. I was told that new L3940's equipped like mine are selling for 32,500 in my area and that i should be able to sell mine for 27,500. It has less than 100 hours on it, 724 FEL and BH90 bh, rear work lights and rubber pads on outriggers. I had one dealer offer 25,000 as a trade in price, others offered a little less but they also were asking for less for the new L39 so in the end things were almost identical. I did however have one dealer tell me that they could only give me 18,000 for mine on trade. I thought that was laughable, but if i am wrong in thinking that someone please put me in my place. In case anyone is wondering that place was messicks equipment in lancaster pa. I think they post on here as well which is how i learned of them. Maybe i shouldn't put that information on here but oh well to late now. Well my tough decision is still as it was yesterday. Very tough and a bit confusing because of all the variables but i do expect to talk to the yanmar dealer tomorrow so hopefully he has some good pricing for me that makes my decision a little easier. Oh and one more thing, the yanmar dealer is deffinitely not a mom and pop place. In fact they also sell New Holland and Kioti equipment and have been in buisness for many many years. Well i will keep you guys posted and keep all the feedback coming, it's deffinitely a great help. Thanks again to everyone.