tomwilli

Hi,

Have seen reported in a couple of places but most recently on the "other" tractor site.
That would make 2 that Mahindra has bought.

Interesting speculation re whether or not Mahindra will cut off the supply to the North American market and just concentrate on the Asian market or just try to pick up with their own Chinese tractor ( in addition to the 1 they already make ).

Do not see much being said about the 1 Mahindra already made by Mahindra so I wonder how those sales are going.

Anyways, food for thought.

Later and have a good Labour Day weekend.

Tom

Dougster

Dear God Almighty Tom... say it isn't so!!!

But very sadly, I must regretfully admit: it is true.

Dougster™

PaulChristenson

Unlikely...JD has penetrated the Far East and it hasn't ignored the rest of its world market...I'm pretty sure Mahindra wants to expand its market and not just focus on the Far East...

Paul in VT

I used to own an ant farm but had to give it up. I couldn't find tractors small enough to fit it.
-- Steven Wright

tomwilli

Hi Gentlemen,

Surprising but not shocking I guess. Dougster adding more confirmation.

The Jinma brand was priced just a little lower than the Chinese Mahindra so maybe Jinma will be no more other than another factory for the Chinese Mahindra's.

As I said, you hear little about anyone buying one of the Chinese Mahindra's ( 2?25 ?? ) so makes you wonder if they are selling.
Would be nice to hear from someone who owns one.

With Paul mentioning Deere, it starts you wondering if the new 3E Deere will be the first Deere manufactured in China for the U.S market. Not much being released about it other than will be a " value tractor " with a good price point. After all, Deere bought Benye.

Certainly is cutting down on the # of Chinese tractor manufacturers.

Anyways, have a great evening and long weekend.

Tom

Dougster

Reading between the lines, I get the sense from the dealers I've talked with that the Chinese-made 2525 was a highly-anticipated novelty for which the novelty wore out fast. You don't even hear anything about them anymore... kinda like they dropped off everyone's radar screen with a big yawn for lack of interest. At the end of the day, I'd think that most people want more in an investment this important and large. Sitting there on the dealer lots next to the premium Mahindras (and other "Top 5" brands) it looks a bit crude and about 20 years behind the times. I can only see it appealing to those who would otherwise be in the market for an even lesser Chinese machine.

I personally think M&M's push into Chinese production for the North American market is a huge mistake, although I admit that only time will tell. But it has damaged the brand in the eyes of many... including yours truly.
Dougster™

tomwilli

Hey Dougster,

Guess I would have to agree re flash in a pan kind of thing.

Must admit that I was surprised at the pricing. Just after they were released I was speaking to a dealer about them. Price was about $9K and then add a loader which made it quite spendy for a Chinese product with a reduced warranty. Acutally worked out that the 2015 hydro was a better value. Granted 5 less HP but got hydro.
When I mentioned it to the dealer, he indicated it was much heavier and would be better for ground engagement work so really was for that type of market and he had a number of people eagerly awaiting the arrival on his lot.
Never heard much more about them.

Should be interesting to see what happens with the Jinma brand in the U.S. and whether or not Mahindra will put a strangle hold on them coming in to sell more of their own Chinese brands.

Must admit, I almost bought a 2015 as I really liked it but we couldn't come to terms on the price. Not far off but just out of my budget.

Still looking at Mahindra ( but a little bigger than a 2015 ) for when I get rid of my CUB.

Gotta get outside and busy cleaning up.

Have a good one.

Tom

Dougster

Here is my problem with Mahindra brand: How many other top end tractor brands source out production to so many other countries & companies? Does Kubota? Deere? New Holland? Kioti?

I think Mahindra has created a sort of "identity crisis" for themselves... a perception that they are just another importer in it only for the money any way they can make it... at least within the North America market. Folks now regularly speak of the "Real" Mahindras (i.e., those made in India), the Mitsubishi/Japanese Mahindras, the TYM/South Korean Mahindras and the Chinese Mahindras (now, it appears, two distinct sub-brands). God only knows where the next new "Mahindra" will come from. The Mahindra "brand" has been watered down to mean any tractor from anywhere that can be painted red and imported into the USA. This can't be a very good thing.

Harsh words to be sure... but I hate to see a good brand name degraded in this way.

Dougster™

tomwilli

Hey Dougster,

Well, I can't say as I necessarily disagree with you and hadn't quite thought of it that way.

With products being subcontracted to so many places it can cause a real problem with product identification and how it is related to by the purchasing public.

But now that you have mentioned it, it is amazing when you see even Dealers talk about some to the models and mention that it is a Mitsubishi or a TYM product instead of just a Mahindra product.

While really liking the product, I have always thought that they were in such a hurry to beat Deere that the primary interest was just to produce product and sell it as fast as they could.

There also appears to be somewhat of a shotgun approach to attaining brand recognition in that they now heavily advertise in most medias, use Nascar, talk about importing trucks ( wonder where they would be made ) instead of concentrating on a quality core product and building from there.

I was really disappointed when Mahindra dropped pricing off their web site and it was nice that they brought it back. Was still disappointed that they list other discounts and don't tell you what they are or how much.

Overall though and keep in mind that I am a novice, I do like many of their products and wish they have more Canadian Dealers.

I would also admit that had I liked and been able to relate to the dealer, I would probably own a Kioti now but the dealer and I could not see eye to eye on many things.

Anyways, thanks for your thoughts on Mahindra. Gives me points to ponder.

Have a great day.

Tom

Dougster

Let me be clear that I'm not trying to talk anyone into or out of buying a Mahindra. That is a very personal decision related to needs, budget and dealer location / wherewithal / compatibility... and that varies for each and every person's unique situation. I'm just pointing out that you've got to really do your background research and know exactly what you're doing before you walk through the door of a Mahindra dealership. Not so much with the other "Top 5" brands.

And you are right: One gets an impression of unrestrained growth at any cost with Mahindra that you don't get with other top brands. I'd tend to prefer a brand name that really meant something and a brand striving for higher quality and reliability rather than a brand simply out for higher sales at any cost. Seems that all Mahindra needs is red paint and a Mahindra badge and any tractor out there can suddenly become a Mahindra. Not cool.

Don't get me wrong: I love my TYM-made Mahindra and would buy another one tomorrow if my needs and budget so dictated. But it does raise the question: Why not buy a TYM tractor from a TYM dealership and eliminate the middle man? It is a perfectly valid question and I'd be a fool not to consider it.

But if I ever buy a new or used Mahindra tractor again, it is highly likely to be a "real" Mahindra... the massive, heavy-duty kind built by Mahindra in India. Specifically, a 7520 or something awfully close. I'd never even consider a Chinese Mahindra of any size or at any cost... and the Mitsubishi Mahindras have lots and lots of very capable competition.

Dougster™

PaulChristenson

John Deere outsourced many tractor models...YANMAR used to build many of JD CUTs outright...Goldoni is currently building the orchard models of JD tractors

The cut-rate 5xx3 models came out of PUNE, India

Paul in VT

I used to own an ant farm but had to give it up. I couldn't find tractors small enough to fit it.
-- Steven Wright