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Thread: When sitting at a traffic light ALWAYS check your mirrors...

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    Dump Truck Hits Harley
    Pittsburgh, PA -- A Pennsylvania truck driver who rolled his 15-ton dump truck over a motorcyclist at a stoplight has been charged with reckless driving, which carries a penalty of a $200 fine. The driver, Jack Fatta, 64, of Clarksburg, also would lose his driver's license for six months if convicted of the charge. On June 3, Fatta was at a red traffic light in Pittsburgh behind motorcyclist Mark McGreevy, 44, of Baldwin, Pennsylvania. The light turned green, and then Fatta's truck rolled over the motorcyclist. McGreevy was trapped under the truck and his motorcycle burst into flames. McGreevy suffered burns over much of his body and had his right leg amputated as a result. He has filed a civil lawsuit against Fatta and the trucking company involved.

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    Frigging truck driver should go to jail. How ridiculous to run someone over at a light and there is no excuse unless hit from the back and even then, he was too close.

    Should have been stopped far enough back to see bike take off and made sure he was in sight in case of missed shift etc.

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    I've owned 6 bikes over the years. When I was younger I traded up a few times, then someone pulled into my space when I was 30 (had to leave the road to avoid death) I thought it was just a matter of time before I bought the big one.. so, I sold the bike and did other activities for relaxation.

    Ten years later I wanted to ride so I bought a Honda 750. Had a blast for a few weeks... when riding through a small city (New London). I'm hyper aware of traffic, so when a car pulls up on my left at a stop light I looked over at the driver. He was looking right at me while talking to his wife who was in the passnger seat.... at least I thought he saw me. The light turns green and he pulls right into my space as I'm moving straight ahead, then zooms to the next right turn leaving me against the curb wondering how the heck did he miss me..... A few weeks later another near miss so I sold the 750. A year or so later I bought another bike (I really like riding) rode for a few weeks and some driver would almost kill me and I sold it.. a couple years later I bought another and same thing .. someone would pull into a spot I occupied.

    I finally got the message... Connecticut is not safe for bike riding!!

    I promised myself.. When I move to Arizona I'll buy a nice Harley, but until then I'll leave bike riding to others... I know I coulda made my bike noisy and this might help get myself noticed.. but I find loud bikes to be noise pollution and I don't want to be as annoying as I find some Harley riders. I know the reason for the noise... I just don't think it's a good enough excuse to disturb someone's peace and harmony. So no bikes for me unless I move to a more bike friendly area. (or until I get the itch again )


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    Quote Originally Posted by irwin View Post
    I've owned 6 bikes over the years. When I was younger I traded up a few times, then someone pulled into my space when I was 30 (had to leave the road to avoid death) I thought it was just a matter of time before I bought the big one.. so, I sold the bike and did other activities for relaxation.

    Ten years later I wanted to ride so I bought a Honda 750. Had a blast for a few weeks... when riding through a small city (New London). I'm hyper aware of traffic, so when a car pulls up on my left at a stop light I looked over at the driver. He was looking right at me while talking to his wife who was in the passnger seat.... at least I thought he saw me. The light turns green and he pulls right into my space as I'm moving straight ahead, then zooms to the next right turn leaving me against the curb wondering how the heck did he miss me..... A few weeks later another near miss so I sold the 750. A year or so later I bought another bike (I really like riding) rode for a few weeks and some driver would almost kill me and I sold it.. a couple years later I bought another and same thing .. someone would pull into a spot I occupied.

    I finally got the message... Connecticut is not safe for bike riding!!

    I promised myself.. When I move to Arizona I'll buy a nice Harley, but until then I'll leave bike riding to others... I know I coulda made my bike noisy and this might help get myself noticed.. but I find loud bikes to be noise pollution and I don't want to be as annoying as I find some Harley riders. I know the reason for the noise... I just don't think it's a good enough excuse to disturb someone's peace and harmony. So no bikes for me unless I move to a more bike friendly area. (or until I get the itch again )
    Forget the Motorcycle...get a car

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    I'd love to have a nice big motorcycle but gave up the thought as soon as I got a car at 16. I'd been yelled for riding sidewalks with my bicycle and run off the road on it. Then starting at age 14 spent 3K miles riding a moped and was run off the road and cussed countless times on it. Starting at 16 I've never owned anything less then a full size sedan or truck ever since. I guess I either got chicken with age or grew out of my death wish. LOL


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    Most places ( wherever there are drivers ) are not safe for bikers.

    Can be kind of brutal out there.

    Have a good one

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    I been riding for 42 years. I lost count a long time ago, on how many close calls ( caused by people in cars/trucks) I've had.
    Right after getting my new Harley (Aug/2011), i just about got side-swiped once again by some jerk not looking before changing lanes.
    I had enough....i know how annoying a loud Bike is to people in cars, but i figure, I'd much sooner annoy some folks, then end up in the hospital or worse.
    So, i changed the pipes on the Bike. Now everybody can hear me.! So far, it's working!

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    Good for you! what scares me more than most, even more than drunks is those who are on cell phone and are texting while driving....

    it brought a whole new level of danger to the road
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ducati996 View Post
    Good for you! what scares me more than most, even more than drunks is those who are on cell phone and are texting while driving....

    it brought a whole new level of danger to the road
    Ducati, i totally agree with you. I see people talking on their cell phones, changing radio stations, and texting while driving all the time. it's annoying, scary and dangerous
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    "The Hurt Report"
    (AKA "Motorcycle Accident Cause Factors and Identification of Countermeasures")

    A brief summary of the findings is listed below. To order the full report, contact:
    • National Technical Information Service
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    • Motorcycle Accident Cause Factors and Identification of Countermeasures, Volume 1: Technical Report, Hurt, H.H., Ouellet, J.V. and Thom, D.R., Traffic Safety Center, University of Southern California, Los Angeles, California 90007, Contract No. DOT HS-5-01160, January 1981 (Final Report)


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    Summary of Findings

    Throughout the accident and exposure data there are special observations which relate to accident and injury causation and characteristics of the motorcycle accidents studied. These findings are summarized as follows:

    1. Approximately three-fourths of these motorcycle accidents involved collision with another vehicle, which was most often a passenger automobile.

    2. Approximately one-fourth of these motorcycle accidents were single vehicle accidents involving the motorcycle colliding with the roadway or some fixed object in the environment.

    3. Vehicle failure accounted for less than 3% of these motorcycle accidents, and most of those were single vehicle accidents where control was lost due to a puncture flat.

    4. In single vehicle accidents, motorcycle rider error was present as the accident precipitating factor in about two-thirds of the cases, with the typical error being a slideout and fall due to overbraking or running wide on a curve due to excess speed or under-cornering.

    5. Roadway defects (pavement ridges, potholes, etc.) were the accident cause in 2% of the accidents; animal involvement was 1% of the accidents.

    6. In multiple vehicle accidents, the driver of the other vehicle violated the motorcycle right-of-way and caused the accident in two-thirds of those accidents.

    7. The failure of motorists to detect and recognize motorcycles in traffic is the predominating cause of motorcycle accidents. The driver of the other vehicle involved in collision with the motorcycle did not see the motorcycle before the collision, or did not see the motorcycle until too late to avoid the collision.

    8. Deliberate hostile action by a motorist against a motorcycle rider is a rare accident cause. The most frequent accident configuration is the motorcycle proceeding straight then the automobile makes a left turn in front of the oncoming motorcycle.

    10. Intersections are the most likely place for the motorcycle accident, with the other vehicle violating the motorcycle right-of-way, and often violating traffic controls.

    11. Weather is not a factor in 98% of motorcycle accidents.

    12. Most motorcycle accidents involve a short trip associated with shopping, errands, friends, entertainment or recreation, and the accident is likely to happen in a very short time close to the trip origin.

    13. The view of the motorcycle or the other vehicle involved in the accident is limited by glare or obstructed by other vehicles in almost half of the multiple vehicle accidents.

    14. Conspicuity of the motorcycle is a critical factor in the multiple vehicle accidents, and accident involvement is significantly reduced by the use of motorcycle headlamps (on in daylight) and the wearing of high visibility yellow, orange or bright red jackets.

    15. Fuel system leaks and spills were present in 62% of the motorcycle accidents in the post-crash phase. This represents an undue hazard for fire.

    16. The median pre-crash speed was 29.8 mph, and the median crash speed was 21.5 mph, and the one-in-a-thousand crash speed is approximately 86 mph.

    17. The typical motorcycle pre-crash lines-of-sight to the traffic hazard portray no contribution of the limits of peripheral vision; more than three-fourths of all accident hazards are within 45deg of either side of straight ahead.

    18. Conspicuity of the motorcycle is most critical for the frontal surfaces of the motorcycle and rider.

    19. Vehicle defects related to accident causation are rare and likely to be due to deficient or defective maintenance.

    20. Motorcycle riders between the ages of 16 and 24 are significantly overrepresented in accidents; motorcycle riders between the ages of 30 and 50 are significantly underrepresented. Although the majority of the accident-involved motorcycle riders are male (96%), the female motorcycles riders are significantly overrepresented in the accident data.

    22. Craftsmen, laborers, and students comprise most of the accident-involved motorcycle riders. Professionals, sales workers, and craftsmen are underrepresented and laborers, students and unemployed are overrepresented in the accidents.

    23. Motorcycle riders with previous recent traffic citations and accidents are overrepresented in the accident data.

    24. The motorcycle riders involved in accidents are essentially without training; 92% were self-taught or learned from family or friends. Motorcycle rider training experience reduces accident involvement and is related to reduced injuries in the event of accidents.

    25. More than half of the accident-involved motorcycle riders had less than 5 months experience on the accident motorcycle, although the total street riding experience was almost 3 years. Motorcycle riders with dirt bike experience are significantly underrepresented in the accident data.

    26. Lack of attention to the driving task is a common factor for the motorcyclist in an accident.

    27. Almost half of the fatal accidents show alcohol involvement.

    28. Motorcycle riders in these accidents showed significant collision avoidance problems. Most riders would overbrake and skid the rear wheel, and underbrake the front wheel greatly reducing collision avoidance deceleration. The ability to countersteer and swerve was essentially absent.

    29. The typical motorcycle accident allows the motorcyclist just less than 2 seconds to complete all collision avoidance action.

    30. Passenger-carrying motorcycles are not overrepresented in the accident area.

    31. The driver of the other vehicles involved in collision with the motorcycle are not distinguished from other accident populations except that the ages of 20 to 29, and beyond 65 are overrepresented. Also, these drivers are generally unfamiliar with motorcycles.

    32. Large displacement motorcycles are underrepresented in accidents but they are associated with higher injury severity when involved in accidents.

    33. Any effect of motorcycle color on accident involvement is not determinable from these data, but is expected to be insignificant because the frontal surfaces are most often presented to the other vehicle involved in the collision.

    34. Motorcycles equipped with fairings and windshields are underrepresented in accidents, most likely because of the contribution to conspicuity and the association with more experienced and trained riders.

    35. Motorcycle riders in these accidents were significantly without motorcycle license, without any license, or with license revoked.

    36. Motorcycle modifications such as those associated with the semi-chopper or cafe racer are definitely overrepresented in accidents.

    37. The likelihood of injury is extremely high in these motorcycle accidents-98% of the multiple vehicle collisions and 96% of the single vehicle accidents resulted in some kind of injury to the motorcycle rider; 45% resulted in more than a minor injury.

    38. Half of the injuries to the somatic regions were to the ankle-foot, lower leg, knee, and thigh-upper leg.

    39. Crash bars are not an effective injury countermeasure; the reduction of injury to the ankle-foot is balanced by increase of injury to the thigh-upper leg, knee, and lower leg.

    40. The use of heavy boots, jacket, gloves, etc., is effective in preventing or reducing abrasions and lacerations, which are frequent but rarely severe injuries.

    41. Groin injuries were sustained by the motorcyclist in at least 13% of the accidents, which typified by multiple vehicle collision in frontal impact at higher than average speed.

    42. Injury severity increases with speed, alcohol involvement and motorcycle size.

    43. Seventy-three percent of the accident-involved motorcycle riders used no eye protection, and it is likely that the wind on the unprotected eyes contributed in impairment of vision which delayed hazard detection.

    44. Approximately 50% of the motorcycle riders in traffic were using safety helmets but only 40% of the accident-involved motorcycle riders were wearing helmets at the time of the accident.

    45. Voluntary safety helmet use by those accident-involved motorcycle riders was lowest for untrained, uneducated, young motorcycle riders on hot days and short trips.

    46. The most deadly injuries to the accident victims were injuries to the chest and head.

    47. The use of the safety helmet is the single critical factor in the prevention of reduction of head injury; the safety helmet which complies with FMVSS 218 is a significantly effective injury countermeasure.

    48. Safety helmet use caused no attenuation of critical traffic sounds, no limitation of precrash visual field, and no fatigue or loss of attention; no element of accident causation was related to helmet use.

    49. FMVSS 218 provides a high level of protection in traffic accidents, and needs modification only to increase coverage at the back of the head and demonstrate impact protection of the front of full facial coverage helmets, and insure all adult sizes for traffic use are covered by the standard.

    50. Helmeted riders and passengers showed significantly lower head and neck injury for all types of injury, at all levels of injury severity.

    51. The increased coverage of the full facial coverage helmet increases protection, and significantly reduces face injuries.

    52. There is no liability for neck injury by wearing a safety helmet; helmeted riders had less neck injuries than unhelmeted riders. Only four minor injuries were attributable to helmet use, and in each case the helmet prevented possible critical or fatal head injury.

    53. Sixty percent of the motorcyclists were not wearing safety helmets at the time of the accident. Of this group, 26% said they did not wear helmets because they were uncomfortable and inconvenient, and 53% simply had no expectation of accident involvement.

    54. Valid motorcycle exposure data can be obtained only from collection at the traffic site. Motor vehicle or driver license data presents information which is completely unrelated to actual use.

    55. Less than 10% of the motorcycle riders involved in these accidents had insurance of any kind to provide medical care or replace property.



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