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Old 09-21-2008, 12:47 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Bush Requests $700 Billion for Bailout

By JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS and DEB RIECHMANN
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WASHINGTON (Sept. 20) - The Bush administration asked Congress on Saturday for the power to buy $700 billion in toxic assets clogging the financial system and threatening the economy as negotiations began on the largest bailout since the Great Depression.


The rescue plan would give Washington broad authority to purchase bad mortgage-related assets from U.S. financial institutions for the next two years. It does not specify which institutions qualify or what, if anything, the government would get in return for the unprecedented infusion.

Democrats are pressing to require that the plan help more strapped borrowers stay in their homes and to condition the bailout on new limits on executive compensation.
Congressional aides and administration officials are working through the weekend to fill in the details of the proposal. The White House hoped for a deal with Congress by the time markets opened Monday; top lawmakers say they would push to enact the plan as early as the coming week.
"We're going to work with Congress to get a bill done quickly," President Bush said at the White House. Without discussing specifics, he said, "This is a big package because it was a big problem."
The proposal is a mere three pages long, but it gives sweeping powers to the government to dispense gigantic sums of taxpayer dollars in a program that would be sheltered from court review.(THIS IS NOT GOOD...)
"It's a rather brief bill with a lot of money," said Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., the Banking Committee chairman. "We understand the importance of the anticipation in the markets, but we also know that what we're doing is going to have consequences for decades to come. There's not a second act to this — we've got to get this right."
Lawmakers digesting the eye-popping cost and searching for specifics voiced concerns that the proposal offers no help for struggling homeowners or safeguards for taxpayers' money.

The government must bail out the financial system "because if we don't, it will have a tremendous impact on American consumers, homeowners, taxpayers and the rest," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said in San Francisco.
But, she added, "We cannot deal with this unless this bailout helps families stay in their homes."
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev. said "we cannot allow ourselves to be in denial about the threat now facing the world economy. From all indications, that threat is real, and the consequences of inaction could be catastrophic. Every single American has a stake in preventing a global financial meltdown."
The proposal would raise the statutory limit on the national debt from $10.6 trillion to $11.3 trillion to make room for the massive rescue.
"The American people are furious that we're in this situation, and so am I," the House's top Republican, Ohio Rep. John A. Boehner, said in a statement. "We need to do everything possible to protect the taxpayers from the consequences of a broken Washington."
Signaling what could erupt into a brutal fight with Democrats over add-on spending, Boehner said "efforts to exploit this crisis for political leverage or partisan quid pro quo will only delay the economic stability that families, seniors, and small businesses deserve."
Bush said he worried the financial troubles "could ripple throughout" the economy and affect average citizens. "The risk of doing nothing far outweighs the risk of the package. ... Over time, we're going to get a lot of the money back."(I'll bet you never see that put in writing...)
He added, "People are beginning to doubt our system, people were losing confidence and I understand it's important to have confidence in our financial system."(I don't see any mention of collateral requirements to participate in the give-away program...)
Neither presidential candidate took a position on the proposal. GOP nominee John McCain said he was awaiting specifics and any changes by Congress.(Well, there goes John McCain's maverick status on fighting big giveaways to the Washington Insiders...)
Democratic rival Barack Obama used the party's weekly radio address to call for help for Main Street as well as Wall Street.(Barack Obama gets his democratic social state given to him by GWB and company and all he has to do...is throw in the socialized medicine...)
Their language reflected a tricky balance that politicians in both parties are trying to strike, just six weeks before Election Day: Back a plan that doles out hundreds of billions to companies that made bad bets and still identify with the plight of middle-class voters.
Besides mortgage help and executive compensation limits, Democrats are considering attaching middle-class assistance to the legislation despite a request from Bush to avoid adding items that could delay action. An expansion of jobless benefits was one possibility.
Bush sidestepped questions about the chances of adding such items, saying that now was not the time for posturing. "I think most leaders would understand we need to get this done quickly, and you know, the cleaner the better," he said about legislation being drafted.
Treasury officials met congressional staff for about two hours on Capitol Hill on Saturday. Discussions centered on how the plan would work, and Democrats proposed adding the executive compensation limits and new foreclosure-prevention measures. Details of those changes were not available Saturday. Bush and Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson conferred by phone for about 20 minutes in the afternoon, gauging how the negotiations were unfolding.
Among the key issues up for negotiation is which financial institutions would be eligible for the help. The proposed legislation doesn't make it clear, leaving open the question of whether hedge funds or pension funds could qualify.
On Saturday night, Treasury released a fact sheet stating that eligible financial institutions "must have significant operations in the U.S." unless Paulson determines, after consulting with Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, that "broader eligibility is necessary to effectively stabilize financial markets."(Gee, I wonder which foreign corporations will see any of this money...)
The proposal does not require that the government receive anything from banks in return for unloading their bad assets. But it would allow Treasury to designate financial institutions as "agents of the government," and mandate that they perform any "reasonable duties" that might entail.
The government could contract with private companies to manage the assets it purchased under the rescue.
Paulson says the government would in essence set up reverse auctions, putting up money for a class of distressed assets — such as loans that are delinquent but not in default — and financial institutions would compete for how little they would accept.
Associated Press Writer Terence Chea contributed to this report from San Francisco.

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The proposal is a mere three pages long, but it gives sweeping powers to the government to dispense gigantic sums of taxpayer dollars in a program that would be sheltered from court review.(THIS IS NOT GOOD...)


Lack of judicial oversite will make make a very select few who are responsible for oversight very wealthy while the rest of us get the.



Anybody who thought the were voting this November for less taxes...can forget that pipe dream...once this bill is passed...plan on using the new 1040 Super EZ Tax Form...

Fill in what you made this year...and send it all to Uncle Sam...



The upper 5% need not file the new 1040 Super EZ Tax Form. Jay

 
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Either way we lose!

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Shhhuussshhhh....

 
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That's cause there'll be automatic direct deposit from your bank to the IRS!

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Not in the Caymans...

 
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You always get me thinking . Is this better than this? I have been considering this due to "health" reasons. Jay

 
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Not in the Caymans...
Caymans..... IRS..... the same bankers run both now so location doesn't matter much

The complete and utter lack of oversight/liability is a nice touch with the $700billion dollar bailout. And from what I've heard elsewhere.... the $700b is not cash, but a line of credit - does that sound right? Which would mean that bad debt can continue to be bought and sold by The Banker, as long as they stay within the $700b mark at any given time.

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If you can do that...you are healthy...

Depending on health conditions...some people do better in FL...but many do just as well in their hometowns...One advantage of NOT being in retirement central...is that Gerontologists are NOT overworked in the North...

For myself, I retired in VT, because it is cheaper than FL and it is MORE PRIVATE!!! than FL...

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Caymans..... IRS..... the same bankers run both now so location doesn't matter much

The complete and utter lack of oversight/liability is a nice touch with the $700billion dollar bailout. And from what I've heard elsewhere.... the $700b is not cash, but a line of credit - does that sound right? Which would mean that bad debt can continue to be bought and sold by The Banker, as long as they stay within the $700b mark at any given time.
The lack of oversight will be the final deathblow to the US Economic Engine...
Currently Congress is starting to craft some oversight into this potential free lunch for financial institutions...

As an aside...the reason for the large jump in oil prices was the short sellers were having to buy contracts to deliver TODAY!!!......(some short sellers loss alot of money today...)...hopefully should slide back down during OCT...

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